Actress Niecy Nash-Betts, well-known for her humor, decided to shift her career trajectory by convening a meeting at her agency, describing it as a reintroduction. “I was merely focusing on comedy,” she admitted. The star of ‘Grotesquerie’ expressed, “I told them, ‘This is who I see myself as. If your vision doesn’t align with mine, then we may not be compatible.’
All the female actors participating in Nash-Betts’ Drama Actress Roundtable for THR shared experiences of repeatedly playing similar roles, whether they were renowned actresses like Helen Mirren (of 1923 and MobLand) who has portrayed three queens and an empress, or less glamorous characters such as Cristin Milioti from The Penguin who said she’s often been cast as sorority girls or bodies in a trunk. Kathy Bates lamented that despite the creative nature of their profession, there is a surprising lack of imagination in how women are perceived, stating that she was considering retirement until her Matlock reboot came along. “What is this?” she wondered aloud.
Six leading actresses, including Parker Posey from ‘The White Lotus’ and Keri Russell from ‘The Diplomat’, gathered together for an animated discussion lasting an hour. They delved into various topics, ranging from their initial breakthrough auditions to the mix of hilarity and embarrassment experienced while filming intimate scenes, some of which eventually got edited out.
When you come across roles described as “Niecy Nash-Betts-like” or “Keri Russell-like” in a casting call, can you guess the type of character these roles might represent?
KERI RUSSELL For a while, I embodied the role of a contented pregnant mother. This was very much the Keri Russell persona.
PARKER POSEY How many times were you a pregnant mom?
RUSSELL A lot of times. A lot.
HELEN MIRREN I was a queen for quite a long time. You have to wriggle to get out.
NIECY NASH-BETTS As an actor, I’ve had a varied career – from the boisterous world of Reno 911!, to the somber tones of Jeffrey Dahmer. Which aspect of me they seek today, I can’t say, as it depends on the role I am playing.
What version of you are they looking for right now?
KATHY BATES Sexy.
It seems you were anticipating my destination! (Laughs.) I must admit, I enjoy bringing smiles and tears to others’ faces. It’s not something I take for granted.
POSEY I actually saw a movie that described a Parker Posey type. I was not offered [the part].
In your memoir, you mention that in Hollywood, people label talented actors as “crazy” when they really mean it as a compliment.
POSEY Oh, that’s a good line.
Have you ever encountered a polite expression or subtle insult during a performance or audition that wasn’t straightforward praise?
Instead of beating around the bush, let me share an experience: Early in my career, I went for an audition and the two producers openly questioned my weight. They looked at each other and said, “She’s quite pretty. Can she shed some pounds?” To which I replied, “I’m right here, you know! And no, I can’t. Now, will you give me this job or not?
MIRREN And did they?
NASH-BETTS Absolutely! (Chuckles) Frankly, I’m unsure if I was the top choice, but they likely felt quite awkward.
MIRREN And you didn’t lose the weight, did you?
NASH-BETTS No, I went home and ate a cookie.
In society, there’s often admiration for men who take bold steps. They do something daring, and people are impressed, thinking they must be very dedicated. I’ve seen this happen occasionally, mostly through stories, and I’ve always thought that if I were to do the same, it wouldn’t turn out well for me. And that’s still a common occurrence. That’s not meant as a subtle compliment; rather, it’s more…
RUSSELL The reality.
As a fan, I can’t help but feel disheartened when I encounter instances of misogyny, like in your question. It seems as though this ingrained bias against women is everywhere, making it challenging to embody complex, dynamic characters. The narrow-mindedness that’s crept in feels almost antiquated. In response, I find myself striving to be amusing and engaging, trying to break through the noise, but it’s a tough battle indeed.
Years ago, I visited what I believe was called Paradise Alley. The roster of characters was extensive, and to my surprise, each character’s introduction was followed by the word “beautiful.
MIRREN “Beautiful, but she doesn’t know it.”
MILIOTI That’s the worst!
“I regret inquiring, ‘Why does everyone have to be beautiful?’ from the casting director, to which he responded, ‘If you’d like to create your own female adaptation of Marty, go ahead.’ I walked away. I was genuinely curious, and it still angers me.”
Hey Kathy, when you were initially promoting Matlock, you mentioned retirement and referred to it as your “final act.” However, things seem to have taken a different turn since then. Can you share what led to this change of heart?
BATES (PARAPHRASED) This resonates deeply with me; it carries significance. Previously, my career was losing momentum as I was receiving film roles that held personal importance but lacked wider recognition. The editing process added to my disillusionment, causing pain. I began contemplating selling my home and relocating to France or elsewhere for a change of pace and fresh inspiration.
Did you bring up the edit you made? There’s been some buzz around your disappointment about a part missing in Misery. Haven’t other people experienced similar feelings when a scene from their project didn’t make it to the final version?
I recently worked on something with Rob Reiner for TCM. During our conversation, I shared my thoughts on what I found amusing – specifically, a scene where she runs over a sheriff with a lawn mower. I was actually joking about it, but some media outlets misconstrued this as me advocating for more violence. To clarify, that is not the case.
In a different tone: Truth be told, I’ve never been the innocent type. Fast forward to age 45, and suddenly they want me bare as can be! (Laughter.) You save it all for this moment? I was game for the role, but those intimate shooting days are always nerve-wracking. And it seems like men are responsible for scheduling these scenes, as they often schedule them at night. They think it’s seductive. But it’s not.
RUSSELL Get it done!
NASH-BETTS Let’s tackle this task early in the day, once he’s stepped out of the shower and doesn’t have that field mouse scent. You go through all the anxiety, the closed-off feelings. “Was my presentation a bit wobbly? Is my content adequate?” And yet they choose not to use it! I’ve bared myself so openly, laid bare, and they don’t utilize it? Now I’m feeling frustrated. Find another place for it!
frustration due to not being used or appreciated after putting oneself out there vulnerably.
At times, I may become somewhat narrow-minded. I tend to protect the character, feeling like, “Why did they omit that line which clarifies points A, B, and C?” I often forget to take a step back and consider the story as a whole. Later on, I can understand why something was removed, but during the moment…
Keri, regarding your career in acting, Matthew Rhys has shared this perspective: “She’s seldom excited about acting. It’s not hate, it’s unease.” Does this description resonate with you? If it does, what drives you to step onto the set?
RUSSELL It’s accurate. Acting wasn’t something I yearned for as a child, and I’m still uncertain about it being my ultimate career choice. However, I truly enjoy what I do currently. There are many aspects that make me feel awkward. I’m not someone who finds performing effortless. For example, when speaking with Matthew, I might ask, “What are your plans for the week?” To which he might reply, “Oh, I’m just going to do a play reading. I haven’t attempted a German or Russian accent in a while and I simply want to give it a try.” That’s my worst fear! I’d rather not do something like that in front of an audience! For me, there’s a constant struggle between overcoming nervousness and finding comfort. Fortunately, the type of TV work we’re engaged in suits me well.
You’ve always been someone who hasn’t fully embraced the celebrity aspect of your profession. After the conclusion of “Felicity”, you chose to leave Los Angeles for New York and haven’t returned since. In what ways do you believe this decision has both aided and hindered your career?
I, RUSSELL There’s something amusing about my everyday life. It’s intriguing to encounter big, well-known celebrities. We’ve all worked with such individuals. I often ponder how they can’t step outdoors without a fuss. They don’t make their own coffee, or do their laundry. How can they portray an authentic character? I try not to criticize the acting profession too harshly, as I am deeply enthralled by its mysteries, and that’s what keeps me engaged. I revel in the opportunity to film in unusual locations – be it Paris or a small Southern town – learning the city, meeting new people, and discovering my own little experiences.
“Hey Helen, this might seem a bit off-topic, but in numerous interviews I’ve noticed that you often mention Kurt Cobain and how unfortunate it is he didn’t live to see the invention of GPS. “
MIRREN Yes, indeed. I am.
What’s behind the fixation?
MIRREN I’m not Kurt Cobain, but rather someone who values living long. Contrary to him, I’ve survived past my youthful years. My eagerness to prolong my life and keep working stems from the excitement it offers, as Keri mentioned. I use Kurt Cobain and GPS merely as metaphors. Incidentally, I find GPS incredibly fascinating. (Laughter ensues).
MILIOTI Like, directions?
MIRREN Absolutely, that tiny blue speck. Life and career are all about exploring the uncharted territories and anticipating the future.
BATES And sticking around until you get there.
Hi there! I’d like to rephrase a question for you. Here it goes: A while back, some folks cautioned you against marrying Jessica Betts, who is now your wife. They mentioned that it might negatively impact your professional advancement. However, things have turned out differently. Can you share your thoughts on how you responded to such advice when it was given?
Opinions abound! Some individuals cautioned me, “Your fans have come to expect you in a particular way, and deviating from that could mean you’ll never be accepted here.” This sentiment is often rooted in older generations, family members, and their mindset. However, I’ve always been an individual who follows my heart and my passions. I pay little heed to others’ opinions about it. My love for Jessica is unparalleled, a feeling that significantly enhances my enjoyment of my work. So, I chose to follow my desires, a decision I stand by without regret. In fact, we are approaching our five-year milestone together.
ALL Congratulations!
NASH-BETTS Thanks! We’re preparing for another wedding renewal, quite the celebration, mainly so I can show off by saying “Told you so” to those who advised against getting married.
Who else among you has gotten bad or problematic guidance in your careers?
In 2003, I was diagnosed with ovarian cancer but my representative advised me to keep it secret, saying “You don’t want to be the face of ovarian cancer.” If I had shared my experience back then, perhaps it could have been beneficial for others. However, when I was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2012 and spoke openly about it, I found that it helped people. Looking back, I regret not doing so earlier because I chose to remain hidden from public view. In fact, during my treatment, I stepped away from my role at the Academy and missed out on meetings. So, I believe I followed poor advice both professionally and personally, causing distress to others. (To Nash) Let’s talk about another story! (Laughter)
MIRREN I was told to have a nose job in my 20s.
RUSSELL You’re kidding me.
I’M MIRREN: Some folks suggested I should get a nose job for better chances in acting. But, honestly, I had no interest in becoming a conventionally beautiful actress. Instead, I chose the path of being unconventionally attractive.
Initially, it seems like you’ve missed the mark. Given your message, though, I think I grasp the essence of what you’re saying. In a metaphorical sense, I appreciate maintaining an appealing appearance in my daily life. For the camera, however, I don’t give it much thought. What I yearn for is to embody the role of a canine character on screen. I find no issue with fading into the background in some roles. Frankly, I sympathize with those who have been considered beautiful throughout their lives. If one’s identity is closely tied to physical attractiveness, maintaining that image must be a lifelong endeavor. I can’t even begin to imagine how challenging that would be.
It seems to me that you might share this feeling, but whenever we witness a breathtaking performance, regardless of one’s physical appearance, they become truly captivating.
MILIOTI They’re hot!
MIRREN Looking at our faces around this table, none of us are beautiful.
BATES Oh, get out of town! I feel more beautiful than I have in my entire life.
We’re not all considered beauties. Each of us has unique, fascinating features instead.
RUSSELL I know what you mean. Like model beautiful?
MIRREN We all know what “beautiful” is like.
RUSSELL Kathy’s like, “Speak for yourself.” (Laughter.)
Could you share with me how you would explain the present stage of your professional journey by discussing the new possibilities that have arisen recently, and contrasting them with what was available to you five or ten years ago?
Looking back ten years, I frequently found myself embodying the role of “a dream girl.” However, this didn’t resonate with my personal experiences, and I’m okay with that. As I grow older, it’s as if I’m finally shedding a pair of restrictive trousers, feeling so much more liberated. This isn’t a criticism of those roles, but rather a reflection on the way one is perceived at 25. I was trying out for parts like sorority members, a corpse in a trunk, or someone infatuated with a 40-year-old man, and jokingly asking, “Ever tried dancing in the rain?” (Laughter ensues.) Leaving those roles behind felt truly satisfying.
In conversation the other day, I chatted with a budding actress who lamented, “I seem to cry in every project I work on. Why am I always crying?” I reassured her, “Don’t fret, there will come a time when you won’t have to cry so much.” However, I fear the portrayal of women might regress. There’s a significant risk that this progress could be rolled back. At present, there’s a concerning trend towards that happening globally.
POSEY I have a sense that my career is like a spin of a roulette wheel – you never know when or where the ball will land. The process of getting scripts and being considered by directors can feel mysterious and unexpected. I’m not at ease with the industry aspect of it, as I find it confusing and it gives me anxiety. It was unusual for me, from 35 to 55, to find a place where I could fit in comfortably.
As a gamer, I joked with my teammates not long ago, “I guess they forgot I’ve got jokes!” It seems like every role I take on, I can’t help but laugh or even collapse! I find myself in a state of bewilderment. Well, I might be a bit goofy sometimes, so let me keep the laughter rolling and remind everyone that I’m still here making gaming fun!
As a huge fan, I can’t help but notice how The White Lotus has become a massive platform for new opportunities. Parker, your landing the Gap campaign before the series even premiered was quite impressive. Since the show skyrocketed in popularity this season, what kind of offers have you been receiving?
POSEY I haven’t gone through any content yet. It’s amazing to think, “Wow! So much is coming my way.” But as of now, I still haven’t read the next piece. However, the memes and the enthusiasm from my loved ones has been truly delightful. Everyone seems so thrilled. (To Bates) I believe you can relate to that feeling too.
BATES Yep!
ALTERNATIVE Your friends are expressing relief, saying things like “We’ve been worried” or “We’ve been stressed on your behalf.” They’re delighted to see you thriving, feeling valued, and enjoying work that brings laughter. Similarly, my mom feels great when she’s with her companions.
Several years ago, my late mother once embarked on a cruise with my sibling. She found herself seated at the captain’s table – a privilege occasionally extended to guests – and he inquired about me, saying, “What about your other child?” He then proceeded to discuss various roles, but they were unsavory characters as he described them.
RUSSELL Of course they were!
REPHRASED She fell silent and then asked my sister, “Why does she always portray these troubled characters?” (Giggle.) Unfortunately, I wish our mom was present right now because she would find this entertaining.
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